“Every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man:
It does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances.”

                                  Friedrich Nietzsche


According to the Bible.. God and the Atheists seem to share the same concerns............

Organized Religion  is the Enemy..

SO - Is God an Atheist? -    You Decide....


“What shall I do to you, when the loving-kindness of you people is like the morning clouds and like the dew that early goes away? That is why I shall have to hew them by the prophets; I shall have to kill them by the sayings of my mouth. And the judgments upon you will be as the light that goes forth.

For in loving kindness I have taken delight, and not in solemn assembly.; and in the knowledge of God rather than in your use of supernatural power. But they themselves, like earthling man, have overstepped the covenant. There is where they have delt treacherously with me. And as in the lying in wait for a man, the association of priests are marauding bands.”

“Stop bringing in any more valueless offerings. Incense_ it is something detestable to me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of a convention_ I cannot put up with the use of supernatural power along with the solemn assembly. Your new moons and your festal seasons my soul has hated. To me they have become a burden; I have become tired of bearing them. And when you spread out your palms, I hide my eyes from you. Even though you make many prayers, I am not listening; with bloodshed your very hands have become filled. Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the badness of your dealings from in front of my eyes; cease to do bad. Learn to do good; search for justice; set right the oppressor."   

“The one presenting a memorial of frankincense is as one saying a blessing with uncanny words. They are also the ones that have chosen their own ways, and in their disgusting things their very soul has taken a delight. I myself, in turn, shall choose ways of ill treating them; and the things frightful to them I shall bring upon them; for the reason that I called, but their was no one answering; I spoke, but there were none that listened; and they kept on doing what was bad in my eyes, and the thing in which I took no delight they chose.”

"I have hated, I have rejected your festivals, and I shall not enjoy the smell of your solemn assemblies, even in your gift offerings I shall find no pleasure. Remove from me the turmoil of your songs; and the melodious sound of your stringed instruments may I not hear. And let justice roll forth just like waters, and righteousness like a constantly flowing torrent. And you will certainly carry your images, the star of your God, whom you made for yourselves."                                

“For into a poisonous plant you people have turned justice, and the fruitage of righteousness into wormwood, you who are rejoicing in a thing that is not”.

Hosea 6:4  + Isaiah 1:2  & 66:3 +  Amos 5:18 & 6:12


The last line sound like something Richard Dawkins might say.. "you who are rejoicing in a thing that is not”.



While Jesus refered to priests and prophets as - Offspring of Vipers...

“The prophets themselves actually prophesy in falsehood; and as for the priests, they go subduing according to their powers. And my own people have loved it that way; and what will you men do in the finale of it?"

“Her prophets were insolent, were men of treachery. Her priests themselves profaned what was holy; they did violence to the law.”
                       
Jeremiah 5:31 + Zephaniah  3:4




FACT - Organized Religion IS the Beast..

666 is the verse number that names God's enemy as being the Temple.

"There is a sound of uproar out of the city, A SOUND OUT OF THE TEMPLE! It is the sound of God repaying what is deserved to his ENEMIES."  - - - - Isaiah 6:66


“As he was going out of the temple one of his disciples said to him: "Teacher, see! what sort of stones and what sort of buildings!"”

However, Jesus said to him: "Do you behold these great buildings? By no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down."

“The God that made the world and all the things in it, being, as this One is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples, neither is he attended to by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all persons life and breath and all things.” -  Acts17:24




The Judgement Against the Beast  - (the Temple)..

"Why is it you also overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition? Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites,  as it is written, ‘This people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because THEY TEACH AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDS OF MEN. ' Letting go the commandment of God, you hold fast the tradition of men. Further, he went on to say to them: ‘Adroitly you set aside the commandment of God in order to retain your tradition.. and thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition which you handed down. And many things similar to this you do."

Matthew 15:3 & Mark 7:6



Jesus Wars Against the Beast - (the Temple)


"This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666"


The mythological Jesus attacks the Beast using his tongue like a sword...... but it Recovers from his judgments.. so organized religion is still with us.


"And I saw one of the heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. And they worshiped the dragon because it gave authority to the wild beast, and they worshiped the wild beast with the words: "Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?"`

Revelation 13: 16 + 3 + 12

AND - in Buddhism we see the same agenda of tearing down organized religion..

Kutadanta said: "I am told that thou teachest the law, yet thou tearest down religion. Thy disciples despise rites and abandon immolation, but reverence for the gods can be shown only by sacrifices. The very nature of religion consists in worship and sacrifice."

Said the Buddha:

"Better than worshipping gods is obedience to the laws of righteousness." 



For sure.. the Bible has nothing to do with the supernatural.. or miracles.. this error arises only with an inexperienced literal reader.. while the more poetic among us will see the metaphor.. and behind the metaphor.. a truth. All the stores have hidden meanings.. and an attentive reader will set out to discover them....


When confronted by metaphor or symbolism.. IT IS NOT A MATTER OF FAITH AND BEL;IEF.. the reader only needs to ask.... What does this really mean..?



Most of the arguments against religion.. raised by atheists.. are already contained in the scriptures.. for example.. the making the laws of Moses obsolete.. because they contain errors..


Having once been an atheist myself.. I found the  beliefs  of some of the atheists at www.atheists.org very interesting.  Ironically.. they correspond to many of the most principle religious teachings..



                   The American Atheists' Mission Statement

"Your petitioners are Atheists, and they define their lifestyle as follows.

"An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist accepts that heaven is something for which we should work now -- here on earth -- for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer, but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and to enjoy it. An Atheist accepts that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment."



Below..  point by point..  is a copy of one issue I raised with them . .



1. An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god.

Correspondingly . . the Bible says:

“You must not take vengeance nor have a grudge against the sons of your people; and you must love your fellow as yourself.”

Leviticus 19:18


“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.”

Matthew 7:12




2. An Atheist accepts that heaven is something for which we should work now -- here on earth -- for all men together to enjoy.

And.. Jesus taught..*


“The Kingdom of heaven is spread upon the surface of the Earth.. yet men do not see it.”

Jesus- Gospel of Thomas




3. An Atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer, . . .


The prophets also saw the people's prayers as worthless too...


“And when you spread out your palms, I hide my eyes from you. Even though you make many prayers, I am not listening; with bloodshed your very hands have become filled.”

Isaiah 1:15


"And as for you, do not pray in behalf of this people, and do not lift up in their behalf an entreating cry or a prayer, for I shall not be listening in the time of their calling out to me in regard to their calamity.

Jeremiah 11:14



”...but that an atheist must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and to enjoy it.”


However.. the Bible teaches the need for us to have inner conviction also...


“Why do you not judge also for yourselves what is righteous?”

Luke 12:57


“For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused.”

Romans 2:12




4. An Atheist accepts that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment."


If so..then.. it seems that the atheist is indeed.. deeply religious.. since the purpose of religion is to give us the knowledge to link back to who we REALLY are.*


"Since it has been said that you are my twin and true companion.. examine yourself! - Examine yourself.. so that you may understand who you are... And you will be called the one who knows themself! For whoever has not know themself.. has known nothing. But whoever has known themself.. has simutaniously achieved knowledge of the depth of the ALL!

Jesus - Thomas the Contender





                               Theologian William Occam's Razor 
     Often highjacked and wrongly used as an Atheist argument

In the philosophy of religion Occam's Razor is sometimes used to defeat arguments for the existence of God and support the rationality of atheism. These applications of Occam's Razor are not considered definitive, since they often hinge on highly debatable notions of "simplicity". For example, postulating special creation involves some obvious big assumptions--but to claim that evolution is a "simpler" hypothesis requires that one quantify the exact nature and magnitude of the assumptions on which it rests.

What is known as Occam's razor was a common principle in medieval philosophy and was not originated by William, but because of his frequent usage of the principle, his name has become indelibly attached to it. It is unlikely that William would appreciate what some of us have done in his name. For example, atheists often apply Occam's razor in arguing against the existence of God on the grounds that God is an unnecessary hypothesis. We can explain everything without assuming the extra metaphysical baggage of a Divine Being.

William's use of the principle of unnecessary plurality occurs in debates over the medieval equivalent of psi. For example, in Book II of his Commentary on the Sentences of Peter Abelard, he is deep in thought about the question of "Whether a Higher Angel Knows Through Fewer Species than a Lower." Using the principle that "plurality should not be posited without necessity" he argues that the answer to the question is in the affirmative. He also cites Aristotle's notion that "the more perfect a nature is the fewer means it requires for its operation." This principle has been used by atheists to reject the God-the-Creator hypothesis in favor of natural evolution: if a Perfect God had created the Universe, both the Universe and its components would be much simpler. William would not have approved.

He did argue, however, that natural theology is impossible. Natural theology uses reason alone to understand God, as contrasted with revealed theology which is founded upon scriptural revelations. According to Occam, the idea of God is not established by evident experience or evident reasoning. All we know about God we know from revelation. The foundation of all theology, therefore, is faith. It should be noted that while others might apply the razor to eliminate the entire spiritual world, Ockham did not apply the principle of parsimony to the articles of faith. Had he done so, he might have become a Socinian like John Toland (Christianity not Mysterious, 1696) and pared down the Trinity to a Unity and the dual nature of Christ to a single nature.

An Extract From

http://www.fact-index.com/o/oc/occam_s_razor.html





                       TO QUOTE AN ATHEIST'S COMMENTS

"As readers will see when reading this interview, Edison's Atheism was not quite what we call Atheism today, although the term Atheist describes him better than any other single word except perhaps pantheist. Edison's absolute materialism seems impossible to reconcile with pantheism given its usual, historical meaning of "the worship of all gods of various cults," but the redefinition of the term made by the English Deist J. Toland - making pantheism "the doctrine that 'God' is not a personality, but rather the sum of all laws, forces, and manifestations of the self-existing universe" - arguably would serve as well. Even so, Atheists certainly can argue that such redefinition is simply a misuse of words. Why call the universe 'God' when the word 'universe' is perfectly unambiguous and conveys a clear meaning? Why use the word 'God' for something so utterly un-godlike as the material world?"

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However.. the idea that God is the universe is incorrect.. since we use the word universe only in the sense of the physical presence.. and the arrangement of mass energy. However.. Toland further defines God as being.. "the sum of all laws, forces, and manifestations of the self-existing universe" . . which to me.. would suggest that he was attempting to imply.. the ALL.

What's more.. it is highly probable that the universe is in itself not unique.. and is more than likely just one of many more.. just as there is more than one galaxy. The word "universe" does not convey a sense of wholeness.. or the ALL.. ar all. Our universe is probably just a small insignificant expanding bubble among an inifinite number of others.






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