This is the atheist's great mistake.....
Theists Verses Atheists: Who Is Correct?
Well neither.. because.. both are mistaken... for reading the Bible only in the most literal sense - Intelligent people understand it as poetry and metaphor... while a theist.. or.. an atheist.. is someone who believes the word - GOD - means a supernatural being.. while others.. more learned.. understand the word to function as a symbol.. or metaphor..
A theist.. or atheist… is someone who can only read the Bible in the most literal sense.. and someone who cannot distinguish between the supernatural and symbolism.. and miracles and metaphors.. For example.. when Jesus made the blind see.. and the deaf hear.. do you understand it literally.. or metaphorically..?
If I ask you.. do you see..? ....
You know I mean.. Do you understand..? ................................
if I say..... Are you deaf? .....................
Do I mean...... You are not listening...? .................
Or do I mean......... You need a hearing aid...?
Both the literal theist.. and the atheist.. get in bed with each other.. in this respect.. they can only see the literal meaning.. while the poet stands between them.. shaking his head.. in disbelief...
FACT - Atheism is based on literal understanding.. because with out this literal understanding.... it could not exist.. Therefor.. Atheism is based on a false premise.. a fiction... a mistaken understanding.. a lie.. even... There is nothing supernatural in the Bible.. I have checked.. it is simply using poetic language.. using allegory... speaking in comparatives.. and riddles.. so the stories have two meanings..
Think about it... the people who told you other-wise.. are the same people you might accuse of having mental illness... And.. so the entire beliefs of Atheism are based on what people.. (who atheists considered to be mentally ill)... have told them......
Is that a good basis for atheists to believe that the word - GOD - refers to a man in the sky..?
Where is the evidence.. to support such nonsense.. in the Bible.. ?..........................Did no one ever think of checking.. ?
IF.. Atheists get their understanding of what the word -GOD - means... by listening only to those who they considered to have a mental illness..... Wouldn't it be better to listen to some of our greatest scientists.... like... Erwin Schroedinger on God.. rather than basing your assumptions.. on those who you regard as mentally ill...?
This is the atheist's great mistake.....
Transforming Religious Metaphor by Joseph Campbell
“Half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions, for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves - BELIEVERS - because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as - ATHEISTS - because they think religious metaphors are lies.”
“Every myth is psychologically symbolic. Its narratives and images are to be read, therefore, not literally, but as metaphors.” - “Mythology is composed by poets out of their insights and realizations. “When you translate the Bible with excessive literalism, you demythologize it.”
“God is a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought. It's as simple as that.” - Joseph Campbell
Albert Einstein said… "The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well as all serious endeavour in art and science. He who never had this experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is SOMETHING THAT OUR MIND CANNOT GRASP and whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly and as a feeble reflection, this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious. To me it suffices to wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere image of the lofty structure of all that there is."
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
While Erwin Schroedinger wrote - ”Science is reticent too when it is a question of the great Unity – the One of Parmenides – of which we all somehow form part, to which we all belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God – with a capital ‘G’ -
“We living beings all belong to one another, we are all actually members.. or aspects.. of a single Being, which we may in western terminology call God, while in the Upanishads it is called Brahman.”
“Quantum physics thus reveals a basic oneness of the universe.”
CONCERNING THE PROVOCATION OF THE FOOLISH - From Aurora Consurgens by Thomas Aquinas
“Understand you foolish ones, and mark the parable and the interpretation, the words of the wise and their mysterious sayings;
For the wise have used diverse manners of speech in making comparison with everything that is upon the earth,
And beneath the sphere of the moon they have multiplied parables in this science.
For the wise have not spoken to the foolish, seeing that he that speaks with a fool speaks with one that is asleep. "
ATHEIST RICHARD DAWKINS - The God Delusion - Debunked
“It would be intolerant if I advocated the banning of religion, but of course I never have. I merely give robust expression to views about the cosmos and morality with which you happen to disagree. You interpret that as ‘intolerance’ because of the weirdly privileged status of religion, which expects to get a free ride and not have to defend itself. If I wrote a book called The Socialist Delusion or The Monetarist Delusion, you would never use a word like intolerance. But The God Delusion sounds automatically intolerant. Why? What’s the difference? I have a (you might say fanatical) desire for people to use their own minds and make their own choices, based upon publicly available evidence. Religious fanatics want people to switch off their own minds, ignore the evidence, and blindly follow a holy book based upon private ‘revelation’. There is a huge difference.” - Richard Dawkins
TEARING DOWN ORGANIZED RELIGION
However, Jesus said to him: "Do you behold these great buildings? By no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down."
AND - in Buddhism we see the same agenda of tearing down organized religion..
Kutadanta said: "I am told that th ou teachest the law, yet thou tearest down religion. Thy disciples despise rites and abandon immolation, but reverence for the gods can be shown only by sacrifices. The very nature of religion consists in worship and sacrifice."
Said the Buddha: "Better than worshipping gods is obedience to the laws of righteousness."
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. These are sky-god religions. They are, literally, patriarchal—God is the Omnipotent Father” - Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
But Dawkins is mistaken.. Judaism and Christianity are not sky-god religions.. they teach God exists in human hearts and minds.. in the form of the Spirit of Loving kindness, Righteousness, Justice, Peace, Wisdom, Truth and Freedom, the Spirit that Jesus manifested in his words.. and in his actions… as a god-man.. leading mankind by example..
QUOTE - "Do you not know that you people are God's temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? The temple of God is holy, which temple you people are."
“Once more the Jews lifted up stones to stone him. Jesus replied to them: "I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?" The Jews answered him: "We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy, even because you, although being a man, make yourself a god."
Jesus answered them : "Is it not written in your Law, `I said: "You are gods"'? – I John 10:31
Jesus was quoting Psalms 82:5 in his defence that God and mankind were – potentially – one and the same..….
“They have not known, and they do not understand; In darkness they keep walking about; All the foundations of the earth are made to totter. I myself have said, 'You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.” - Psalms 82:5
“Every church is a stone.. On the grave of a god-man: It does not want him to rise up again.. under any circumstances.” - Friedrich Nietzsche
"So in this idea, then, everybody is fundamentally the ultimate reality. Not God in a politically kingly sense, but God in the sense of being the self, the deep-down basic whatever there is. And you're all that, only you're pretending you're not. And it's perfectly OK to pretend you're not, to be perfectly convinced, because this is the whole notion of drama." – Alan Watts
“The misconception which has haunted philosophic literature throughout the centuries is the notion of 'independent existence.' There is no such mode of existence; every entity is to be understood in terms of the way it is interwoven with the rest of the universe.”
“The foundation of reverence is this perception, that the present holds within itself the complete sum of existence, backwards and forwards, that whole amplitude of time, which is eternity.” - Alfred North Whitehead
"The end of life is to be like God, and the soul following God will be like Him." – Socrates
DAWKINS ON ENMITY AND VIOLENCE BETWEEN ORGANIZED RELIGIONS
“look carefully at any region of the world where you find intractable enmity and violence between rival groups today. I cannot guarantee that you’ll find religions as the dominant labels for in-groups and out-groups. But it’s a good bet.” - ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
BUT.. DAWKINS IS JUST REPEATING WHAT THE BIBLE IS SAYING ABOUT ORGANIZED RELIGION - “with bloodshed your very hands have become filled”
“Stop bringing in any more valueless offerings. Incense_ it is something detestable to me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of a convention_ I cannot put up with the use of supernatural power along with the solemn assembly. Your new moons and your festal seasons my soul has hated. To me they have become a burden; I have become tired of bearing them. And when you spread out your palms, I hide my eyes from you. Even though you make many prayers, I am not listening; with bloodshed your very hands have become filled. Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the badness of your dealings from in front of my eyes; cease to do bad. Learn to do good; search for justice; set right the oppressor."
UNITY VERSES RELIGIOUS SECTS - SECTS ARE BAD
“Now I exhort you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. For first of all, when you come together in a congregation, I hear divisions exist among you; and in some measure I believe it. For there must also be sects among you, that the persons approved may also become manifest among you... What shall I say to you ..Shall I commend you? ..In this I do not commend you.”
“Now I exhort you, brothers that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. For the disclosure was made to me about you, my brothers that dissensions exist among you........ The Christ exists divided.” - Extracts from - Romans 16:17 + Colossians 11:18 + 1Corinthians 1:10
“My objection to supernatural beliefs is precisely that they miserably fail to do justice to the sublime grandeur of the real world. They represent a narrowing-down from reality, an impoverishment of what the real world has to offer.”
“No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavours to establish.”
“To say that something happened supernaturally is not just to say ‘We don’t understand it’ but to say ‘We will never understand it, so don’t even try.” - Richard Dawkins, The Magic of Reality: How we know what's really true\
WELL.. LET’S PUT THAT TO THE TEST…. WHAT IS REALLY TRUE… A MIRACLE.. OR METAPHOR ?
“He is stilling the noise of the seas, The noise of their waves and the turmoil of the national groups. He causes the windstorm to stand at a calm, So that the waves of the sea keep quiet.”
"And when he got aboard a boat, his disciples followed him. Now, look! a great agitation arose in the sea, so that the boat was being covered by the waves; he, however, was sleeping. And they came and woke him up, saying: "Lord, save us, we are about to perish! " But he said to them: "Why are you fainthearted, you with little faith?" Then, getting up, HE REBUKED THE WINDS AND THE SEA, AND A CALM SET IN. So the men became amazed and said: "What sort of person is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him?" - Matthew 8:23
"HE REBUKED THE WINDS AND THE SEA, AND A CALM SET IN"
"The national groups themselves will make a din just like the noise of many waters. And He will certainly REBUKE IT, and it must flee far away and be chased like the chaff of the mountains before a wind and like a thistle whirl before a storm wind. But the wicked are like the sea that is being tossed, when it is unable to calm down, the waters of which keep tossing up seaweed and mire.”
"They have multiplied altars in order to sin. I proceeded to write for them many things of my Law; Just like something strange they have been accounted. THE NATIONS ARE FEEDING ON WIND and chasing after the east wind all day long. Lying and despoiling are what they multiply. And a covenant among men they conclude. They became satisfied and their heart began to be exalted. That is why they forgot me."
- Psalms 65:7 + Isaiah 17:12 & 57:2
“The fact that it has nothing else to contribute to human wisdom is no reason to hand religion a free licence to tell us what to do.”
But Richard.. we already give governments - “a free licence to tell us what to do.”
While the Bible teaches that we can think for ourselves..
WHILE THE BIBLE SAYS CONCERNING SELF-REGULATION
“Why do you not judge also for yourselves what is righteous?” - Luke 12:57
“For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused.” - Romans 2:12
“Do you not know that if you keep on presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, you are slaves of him because you obey him.”
DAWKINS SAYS - “I prefer to say that I believe in people, and people, when given the right encouragement to think for themselves about all the information now available, very often turn out not to believe in God and to lead fulfilled and satisfied—indeed, liberated—lives.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
TO WHICH CARL JUNG.. WHO CLEARLY STATED.. “I KNOW GOD EXISTS”.. REPLIES
"As a rule the individual is so unconscious that he altogether fails to see his own potentials for decision. Instead he is constantly and anxiously looking around for external rules and regulations which can guide him in his perplexity. Aside from general human inadequacy, a good deal of the blame for this rests with education, which promulgates the old generalisations and says nothing about the secrets of private experience. Thus, every effort is made to teach idealistic beliefs or conduct which people know in their hearts they can never live up to, and such ideals are preached by officials who know that they themselves have never lived up to these high standards and never will. What is more, nobody ever questions the value of this kind of teaching." - Memories, Dreams and Reflections, by Carl Jung
ALSO… The Buddha once rebuked his most devoted disciple for wanting to introduce rules to govern the order.. saying: “Ah! Kassapa, you are ever fond of the making of rules. But the mind of man is ever facile to evade rules unless the heart be willing to keep them, and then no rules need to be imposed, for a man will make them for himself.”
“The great unmentionable evil at the center of our culture is monotheism. From a barbaric Bronze Age text known as the Old Testament, three anti-human religions have evolved.”
“God is a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser , a misogynistic, homophobic racist, an infanticidal, genocidal, phillicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
How many literalists have read enough of the Bible to know that the death penalty is prescribed for adultery, for gathering sticks on the sabbath and for cheeking your parents? If we reject Deuteronomy and Leviticus by what criteria do we then decide which of religion's moral values to accept? – Richard Dawkins
BUT THE TESTAMENT OF MOSES WAS MADE OBSOLETE BY THE NEW TESTAMENT....
THIS PROVES THAT JESUS DID NOT BELIEVE THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT EXISTED..
AND THAT THE STORY WAS A MYTH
“Hence Jesus said to them: "Most truly I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but my Father does give you the true bread from heaven.”
"Certainly, then, there occurs a setting aside of the proceeding commandment on account of its weakness and ineffectiveness. For the law made nothing perfect but the bringing in besides of a better hope did, through which we are drawing near to God.”
”For if the first covenant had been faultless. No place would have been sought for a second." - "But their mental powers were dulled. For to this present day the same veil remains uplifted at the reading of the old covenant, because it is DONE AWAY WITH by means of Christ. In fact, down till today whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts. But when there is a turning to God, the veil is taken away." - "In his saying "a new covenant" He has made the former one OBSOLETE and growing old is near to vanishing away."
"Do not you people be owing anybody a single thing, except to love one another; for he that loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. For the law code, "You must not commit adultery, You must not murder, You must not steal, You must not covet," and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this word, namely, "You must love your neighbour as yourself." Love does not work evil to one's neighbour; therefore love is the law's fulfilment."
VERSES - John 6:32 - Hebrews 7:18 + 2Corinthians 3.12 + Hebrews 8:13- Romans 13:8
DAWKINS MISTAKENLY BELIEVES THE BIBLE IS A WORK OF FICTION
“The Bible may be an arresting and poetic work of fiction, but it is not the sort of book you should give your children to form their morals.” - Richard Dawkins
William Blake wrote: - "The prophets Isaiah & Ezekiel dined with me, and I asked them how they dared so roundly to assert that God spoke to them; and whether they did not think at the time that they would be misunderstood, and so be the cause of imposition.
Isaiah answered: "I saw no God, nor heard any, `in a finite organical perception'; but my senses discovered the infinite in everything, and as I was then persuaded, and remained confirmed, that the voice on honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for the consequences but wrote.' Then I asked: `Does a firm persuasion that a thing is so, make it so? He replied: "All poets believe that it does, and in ages of imagination this firm persuasion moved mountains; but many are not capable of a firm persuasion of anything."
TAKING WHAT BLAKE SAID INTO CONSIDERATION... ONE OF THE JUDGMENTS AGAINST ORGANIZED RELIGION
“Hear the word of God, for God has a legal case with the inhabitants of the land, for there is no truth nor loving kindness nor knowledge of God in the land.”
"I have hated, I have rejected your festivals, and I shall not enjoy the smell of your solemn assemblies, even in your gift offerings I shall find no pleasure. Remove from me the turmoil of your songs; and the melodious sound of your stringed instruments may I not hear. And let justice roll forth just like waters, and righteousness like a constantly flowing torrent. And you will certainly carry your images, the star of your God, whom you made for yourselves."
“For into a poisonous plant you people have turned justice, and the fruitage of righteousness into wormwood, you who are rejoicing in a thing that is not”. – Hosea 4:1
RICHARD DAWKINS ON ABRAHAM
“God ordered Abraham to make a burnt offering of his longed-for son. Abraham built an altar, put firewood upon it, and trussed Isaac up on top of the wood. His murdering knife was already in his hand when an angel dramatically intervened with the news of a last-minute change of plan: God was only joking after all, 'tempting' Abraham, and testing his faith. A modern moralist cannot help but wonder how a child could ever recover from such a psychological trauma. By the standards of modern morality, this disgraceful story is an example simultaneously of child abuse, bullying in two asymmetrical power relationships, and the first recorded use of the Nuremberg defence: 'I was only obeying orders.' Yet the legend is one of the great foundational myths of all three monotheistic religions.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
WHAT DAWKINS FAILS TO UNDERSTAND IS.. THIS STORY IS A SYMBOLIC DRAMA..... DENOUNCING THE TESTAMENT OF MOSES
“For example, it is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; but the one born by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of the flesh, the other by the free woman through a promise. These things stand for a symbolic drama; for these two women mean two covenants, the one from Mount Si'nai, which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Ha'gar. Now this Ha'gar means Si'nai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the world today, for she is in slavery. But the world above is free and she is our mother.” - Galatians l4:21
The biblical Mount Sinai was the place where Moses received the Ten Commandments.
“Why would anybody be intimidated by mere words? I mean, neither I nonor any other atheist that I know ever threatens violence. We never threaten to fly planes into skyscrapers. We never threaten suicide bombs. We are very gentle people. All we do is use words to talk about things like the cosmos, the origin of the universe, evolution, the origin of life. What's there to be frightened of? It's just an opinion.” - Richard Dawkins
To quote Einstein on Atheism: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth."
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - - - - "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
“In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”
- Albert Einstein
A debate with Atheists - Are God and Nature One and the Same ?
Are God and Nature One and the Same ?
Take a look at some of atheist Richard Feynman quotes.. and decide for yourself....
DEFINITION OF NATURE - a creative and controlling force in the universe - The physical force regarded as causing and regulating the phenomena of the world............
BTW.. I inserted the word - GOD - in the Feynman quotes.. to clarify the point I'm making'...
TO QUOTE FEYNMAN
“Nature (or God) uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns, so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization of the entire tapestry.”
“I think nature's (or God’s) imagination Is so much greater than man's, she's never going to let us relax”
“... it is impossible to explain honestly the beauties of the laws of nature (or God) in a way that people can feel, without their having some deep understanding of mathematics. I am sorry, but this seems to be the case.”
“We have been led to imagine all sorts of things infinitely more marvelous than the imagining of poets and dreamers of the past. It shows that the imagination of nature (or God) is far, far greater than the imagination of man.”
“To those who do not know mathematics it is difficult to get across a real feeling as to the beauty, the deepest beauty, of nature (or God)... If you want to learn about nature (or God), to appreciate nature (God), it is necessary to understand the language that she speaks in.”
“Why nature (or God) is mathematical is, again, a mystery.”
“Nature (or God) has a great simplicity and therefore a great beauty”
“For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature (or God) cannot be fooled.”
“I am going to tell you what nature (or God) behaves like. If you will simply admit that maybe she does behave like this, you will find her a delightful, entrancing thing. Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, ‘But how can it be like that?’ because you will get ‘down the drain’, into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that.”
“Nature (or God) uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns, so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization of the entire tapestry.”
“There's a big difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something.”
Richard P. Feynman